Ep 117: Queerness and Monogamy
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How can queer folks explore the full scope of their attraction if they are in a monogamous relationship? How can we stay within integrity and still tap into our desire to connect with people of different genders?
Inspired by a listener question, Effy and Jacqueline kick off pride month by sharing some strategies for how to explore your sexuality, while staying within your relationship agreements.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Jacqueline
When you imagine having sex with someone of a different gender? What is it that you believe you will feel like in that space? And is there a way to try to capture that feeling in your current relationship? Yeah, right.
Effy
Welcome to the curious Fox podcast for those challenging the status quo in love, sex, and relationships. My name is Effy Bue.
Jacqueline
And I'm Jacqueline Misla. And today we launch our Pride Month celebration, up we're sick legs beautiful costume.
Every, every time I see the word pride, just picture that picture. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Nice. So as a part of our exploration of all things pride this month that we are turning our focus towards the LGBTQ ai plus community. And specifically today, we're curious about how queer folks who subscribe to sexual fidelity can explore the full scope of their attraction.
Effy
Yeah, happy pride, everyone. I can't help but I feel like we're going to do this all month. We just got any opportunity that we gave you gonna be like, bear with us. Don't even bear with us. Join us. Join us in celebration of the colorful identities that people subscribe to you or or express. It is a month of celebration, and pride. So wherever you are, just celebrate Celebrate people. So that uniqueness, celebrate identity, and tune in to this cool topic that was inspired by a question from one of our listeners. So many thanks to everyone who submit questions and show ideas. We love them. We love that we love to hear people's curiosities, so keep them coming. So this is a great one. As a note, we will be saying queer to represent the rainbow of those who are in the LGBTQ i plus community, while understanding that not everyone, including myself identifies as queer, even if they're not straight. For more on that check out episode 74 Pride March late lesbian and queer or not to queer. And for those pride related binge worthy episodes, look out for episode 75. Bisexuality is real and episode 76 Queer dating with Ariella, sir.
Jacqueline
Okay, so back to today's topic, let's set the scene. Maybe you are queer, pansexual, bisexual, are curious, and are in a straight monogamous relationship or in relationships whose agreements don't provide space for that kind of exploration. This could also actually work the other way you can be in a same sex relationship and want to have sexual experiences with other genders and are restricted based on your relationship construct. So that is the scenario that I have actually been in, when I was married to my ex husband. And we were monogamous. That was difficult. And it's something that I've heard from several of my friends that it can be really difficult to feel limited and not express the queer part of ourselves. If we are in a relationship that does not allow for that kind of exploration.
Effy
Absolutely. I would say being not straight. Being Bipin you're essentially not strange is in the top three reasons why people say they want to open up their relationships, because they find themselves in a situation where they are queer, and in a monogamous relationship, and they want to explore and so they want to open up the relationship, which is an option. However, for this episode, we want to honor those who are actually choosing to be in a monogamous relationship, and aren't interested in opening up their ship because for whatever reason, and whatever that reason is, is an excellent reason. They want to be in a monogamous relationship, while being queer and wanting to explore, so we just want to make sure that that is out there. Putting up your relationship is always a choice. It's also a choice to be in a monogamous relationship or a relationship that has some version of sexual exclusivity.
Jacqueline
Yeah, that's my scenario. Right now. I am Polly Fidelis. So I am in two relationships and only in those two relationships and those two relationships are with women. And so in my current construct, I can't take You know, I can't explore past that. And that is my choice, I have made a decision to be in these radians Exactly.
Effy
You're choosing not to explore beyond that. You can you're not
Jacqueline
using your right, you're exactly right, I am choosing not to, for several reasons. One is certain one is actually bandwidth. I just don't have it in me to introduce any more people into my life right now. But the other is, you know, I've had to think about what, what is what feels like, more important and more values aligned for me in this moment? Is it that type of exploration? Is it staying committed to the relationships, I'm in and continuing to build those. And so for me at the moment, my goal is to maintain and grow the relationships that I'm in. And so it is a compromise that I've been willing to make.
Effy
And I think the piece from what I'm hearing that really sets you up to succeed, hopefully, is that you have become clear about why you're choosing the construct that you're choosing. And I think that I would say is one of the some of the most important things to get you on your way towards a healthy, thriving relationship that you get clear about why, in this case, you know why you're choosing monogamy, monogamy as a part of a greater vision or a goal or value, it's important to get clear about that and be satisfied by that. Right? Like, I'm choosing this because my partner doesn't want to do anything else. It's not about you. It's not about your values and what you're subscribing to personally, it's about somebody else. And that's not very, that's not very sustainable over a long period of time. We know this. So it's, you really need to dig deep within yourself and find your why to your choice of the relationship construct that you're in, and be really grounded in that. And that's something that you're going towards, and not something that you're you're getting away from right. So we need to get really clear about that.
Jacqueline
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I agree with you. I think it's an important distinction. Because if you if we're not engaged in something because someone else to make someone else happy and right, or to not cause jealousy or to that is going to build resentment that is going to that's just a recipe for disaster, it's going to build and build and something's going to explode at some point. So for even for myself, I had to be clear for myself at some point that even though I've have attraction, even though I have, you know, desires to do other things in other places, it is important for me to right now maintain the relationship constructs that I have, and I feel good about that. Right. So that's about me. And yeah, and I decision, yes.
Effy
And when you have that as a foundation, then you can settle into your relationship construct, rather than seeing it as a limitation. But see, it's something that you actively creating. And then this conversation we're having is like, Okay, once you settle into that, and you're like, This is the construct that I choose, okay, what can be done to explore the queerness within me in the construct that I am choosing, and CO creating with the with this other person or these other people? Yes, yes, yes. And while we're having this conversation, I think the nugget that we want to sort of explore and hold on to is that our sexual orientation, and our relationship constructs are on separate tracks, and one does not assume the other. Right. So just to realize those are separate tracks, you can be queer, and wanting to be monogamous. It happens totally fine, because those things are mutually exclusive from one another.
Jacqueline
Yes. And being in a monogamous, straight relationship, does not take away your queerness. Yes, I just need to pause after that, like I needed that bullet of silence after because I think I need folks need to let that sink in, particularly, frankly, those within the queer community that sometimes can be judgmental to those who enter into spaces and from the surface look straight, potentially, and we may consider them to be an ally and not a member of the community. And so I want to note that, again, that your relationship construct, and the way in which you own who you are attracted to do not mean the same thing. Yes, there. There's relation between those two things, but one does not assume than the other.
Effy
Absolutely, absolutely. So here we are, we are queer, we are part of this beautiful rainbow. And we're in a monogamous relationship that doesn't exactly reflect the variety of our attraction. What do we do from that? How can you explore while committing to your relationship agreements?
Jacqueline
So I've been thinking a lot about this again, as it has related to me in the past and current. And I think the first thing that I realized is just in terms of things that you can do on your own, and we'll talk about things that you can do in partnership, but the first thing that you can do on your own is just name it. Identify as I pan queer, etc. In your street relationship with your partner with your family, if that's comfortable with friends with the larger community, just naming an owning That that is who you are, even though it is not miss necessarily expressed within your relationship construct, that piece at least feels freeing because then at that point you can, you can speak more freely with your partner. And everything from that person was really hot, which I used to do all the time with, with my husband, we'd be checking out the same same girls, or even to say, this is really hard right now, and be able to have the space to talk about that requires first naming it so that you can be truthful for yourself and those around you.
Effy
Absolutely, I can not agree more. And I think it's also good like acid test moment as well, to see how enmeshed we are with our partners. Can we identify as a solo individual person that is expressing their full identity, regardless of what their partnership is reflecting on them? Right? So I think it's a good point to say, okay, like I'm choosing to be in this relationship, it looks straight from the outside, but that does not reflect who I am, right? Your relationship does not reflect who you are, your relationship is something that you could co creating with somebody else. So I love that that suggestion, like, name it, call yourself identify as you are name it communicated, connect with people on those bases? Yes.
Jacqueline
So once you have named your truth, and you're saying, Okay, this is this is who I am. And I'm recognizing the evolution of that, by the way, right? That it can evolve over time, who you're attracted to what you want, what that looks like. So continuing check in with yourself and naming that, I think the next recommendation would be to do an internal audit of what it is that you feel like you need want desire, and what your current relationship is offering and what it is not. So that you can really get a sense of where are the gaps? What are the things that you wish you could explore more with folks of other genders that you you can't access right now? So yeah, do that self reflection, see what comes up for you?
Effy
Right? I think the obvious piece is sex, obviously, right? That's the piece that comes up to the surface. Because that's when you're talking about sexual orientation, right? And attraction. So obviously, the first thing is comes, you know, comes up, he's like, Well, I can't have sex with a specific gender or a specific person. So that's the one thing. But once you get over that, there is there's often more to than than that, right? Often it's about being seen and being heard and being understood. And, you know, being able to connect on a level that you might not be able to connect with somebody who's not clear, you know, who understands the world from that point of view. So six is going to come up first. And there's going to be more to it than that. So dig deep thing. Actually, one
Jacqueline
thing that I want to note is that in the beginning, for me, at least, it wasn't about sex, per se, I was just I remember saying, I just want to make out with a girl, like if I could just, you know, I just crave like kissing a woman if I could do that. But now having done that, I know that that after that I would have been like, Well, now that I've done the kids, if I could just do this next part. And then if I could just, we could just be naked and have sex with each other. That's the so just kind of naming that from the jump that even if you're sitting in the space, and you're like, well, it's not sex for me, it may not be at all and forever. And it may not be right now until you get the thing that you want. And then you want more than that. Human Condition.
Effy
Yes, exactly. And I think also within that is really understanding that desire, like desire, attraction, what what does that look like? And also for you to really define and understand intimacy, right? Like, sometimes what we want is, well, more often than not what we're looking for is intimacy. And then the only way that we think of intimacy just because of the way that society is structured, and all the noise around us, we think when we think of intimacy, we think of sexuality, whereas intimacy doesn't necessarily mean sexuality, right? You can get to a place where you have that closeness with somebody that that feeling of being seen right into me. You see, I'm being heard and being recognized and acknowledged with someone without necessarily getting your clothes off.
Jacqueline
Yeah, I think that's right. So I think not talking about sex the first piece in terms of intimacy is is it within your relationship construct? Is it within your agreements that you can have really close intimate emotional relationships with friends or you can call them whatever you want to call them? That does give you the opportunity to have closeness exactly what you said to feel seen to feel connected to feel heard. To do fun things with you know to go on dates with even though you may not call them dates to go on outings with the can you experience that part of it under the umbrella of intimate friendship Is that something that's available to you? And what could that feel like? And I
Effy
think within that, maybe revisit your value system in terms of relationships, right to see, sometimes we really have internalized hierarchy. And we think of partnerships, romantic partnerships, called the top of the totem, and then you've got friendships and acquaintances, all that kind of it's kind of hierarchy of hierarchy or relationships, maybe revisit that hierarchy, and really think about your friends, as important as your partners, and maybe looking at the friendship as a source of all the things that you want as as much as your sexual relationship or romantic relationship. That can also reframe things for you in a way that you can get a lot more out of what you would call a friendship, right, almost like redefine your friendship, and have built an intimacy right, we talked about QPR is with Angela Chen on the asexuality episode, queer platonic relationships, right, which are essentially all the intimacy of a romantic sexual relationship minus the sex.
Jacqueline
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, again, from experience, there are benefits to that. And there are challenges, I think, when I was married to my ex husband, again, we were in a monogamous relationship. So there was not an opportunity for me to be have sexual experiences with someone else. But I started to form a deep, intimate friendship with my now wife, and it causes conflict at some point within my, my marriage, because we'd be on the phone together for three, four hours. And, you know, we would hang out together and all the things without that sexual component, but at some point, that emotional closeness also got in the way. So I just named that to say, keep checking in with your, with your partner really get clear about what the agreements are. And we'll talk in a few minutes about how to co create that. But just just as a recognition of it felt like a loophole for me. But we're not having sex. But still, that level of intimacy was was pretty deep. Something I think, as we're talking about naming it, first naming it for ourselves, identifying in our standing in our queerness, if you will, and sharing it with our, our partner and figuring out ways to share that with friends. And potentially then once that, that knowledge, that truth itself is out there building emotional relationships with others based on that. The other thing that was important, for me, at least was community around absolute, naming it and then being in community and surrounding myself, with queer people with books with going into queer spaces, you know, participating in advocacy, really being a part of the community, even though again, my particular construct at the time, did not allow for that kind of exploration, it did not take away from the fact that that is, who I was, and who I am, and wanted to be in community with others who also were queer.
Effy
I think that's a huge support for those who are in these kinds of relationships. For sure. I think there's also an opportunity for, you know, the partners in this relationship that may or may not be queer themselves, right, they might, they might be straight, is an opportunity for them to also come into the community as an ally. Right. And that might also make them feel as a part of this journey, and somewhat, rather than feel excluded from it. Because I think sometimes when these wouldn't, you know, when this comes up in, in my practice, either, you know, a list of worries, right, and they're all legitimate. And the one thing that comes up is feelings of exclusion, not understanding not being a part of this experience, which feels like they are excluded from the relationship in some way, right. And it feels scary because of that. And they think if they were to be a part of the community, as an ally, and do that work, and also learn about advocacy, and an ally ship, and all that kind of stuff, which will keep them included in this experience, and not be potentially not be a point of division.
Jacqueline
I love that suggestion. I think that makes a lot of sense. Because it again, it speaks to identity in its fullness, and ensuring that it does not feel like this other thing that's on the side and a trigger to point a trigger that creates some fear about what is happening in those at those events. While doing what's going on over there. I love that suggestion. You know, I think that the piece that has felt hardest for me and you know, some of my friends who we talk to talk about this with is is that sexual piece, right? So we have community we have friendships, we're like, we're going to do all the things and flesh ones for fire to lash one. Yeah, yeah. And my outlet has been fantasizing my outlet has been porn. My outlet has been creating kind of the sexual experiences in my head and having sexual experiences with myself based on the visions and ideas and desires that are in my head so interested in your thoughts around other things that we do on our own before we engage our partner that can satisfy even just touch kind of no pun intended. The idea of, you know, desiring that that flesh,
Effy
we have to name it right, we can do all the things if we've chosen monogamy or if we've chosen sexual exclusivity with people. That's what we've chosen. And the idea is that we don't then get to the flesh, right. So that's not something that we're going to be able to solve directly. Because that's, that's literally what you're opting into. So I think porn and fantasies and getting yourself to a sexual place through that is the closest that you're going to get on your own. And I think there are things that you can do with your partner, that will also get you a little closer, where there is flesh involved.
Jacqueline
Yeah, yeah. Okay, so let's talk about that. I think, well, first, let's name we're assuming in this conversation that you have had a conversation with your partner shared and named who you are and your identity shared that it is it feels like a struggle for you that it is hard, and that it is still something that you are doing, because you're committed to your relationship and the relationship agreements, right, and that you want to work with them to co create what is possible for you, within the agreement of the relationship, so it doesn't feel like a problem you have to solve. Because I think that that would build resentment, sure that instead, it is a topic of conversation, and it is something that you both are exploring around how to honor that part of your identity within the relationship construct that
Effy
you have. Yes, exactly that your partner's game, essentially, like you told them what's going on with you, their you know, whatever needs to be spoken to spoken. And that he she, they are interested in supporting you and the game. And when I mean my game, they also are like, willing to do the exploration, because you're going to have to come off the beaten path to create some experiences, that's going to help you get closer to the same sex experience. Right? So they are willing to play along and they play they're willing to explore, they're willing to try different things that might feel a little strange at first, or maybe really exciting if they get them. Right. So that's where we're coming from, like you've had the conversations, and they're celebrating you their game. What can you do? Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think one of the things that is worth thinking about is the sex that you're currently having, and what what it looks like and what it feels like and whether people are in their gender normative spaces. So if you're a guy, your your your sexual energy is masculine. And if you're a woman that your your sexual energy is feminine. Yeah, that's the stereotype the roles that we play, right, exactly. And see if there's wiggle room in that, right? Is your masculine expression within your sexuality truly rooted to your masculinity, or what you assume a masculine stance with insects looks like and feels like? Is there wiggle room in that? And of course, vice versa, your feminine sexual expression within your sexuality? Is it rooted in your true expression? Or is it more of an assumed role, and see if there's wiggle room on either side, right? Because then this is going to give you an energetic experience with the other person. So if you are, let's say, You're a sis man, and your sexual expression feels very masculine. And you've actually found some wiggle room where you can bring in some feminine energy into your sexual expression. Okay, now your partner who might be seeking a more feminine experience, because they're clear, and they're looking for they're looking to be with a with a woman? Can they can they at least get to energetically right? And in a same way, I think, for you as the queer person that's looking to explore queerness, you need to also get clear about what is the sexual experience experience you're looking for? When you want to play with the same sex person, right? What is the energy? What is the feeling that you're trying to get to? Right? And can that energy be explored within your current construct by people finding some wiggle room in their gender expression?
Jacqueline
Yes, yes. I love that. Because it for me, it reminds me of some of the conversations that we've had on the show with some experts in, in kink, who have talked about before you decide the thing that you want to do, think about how you want to feel because you know, utilizing a strap on or paddle or rope. That is the the the means to the end. That's the experience you can have. But you can feel a bunch of things. You can feel empowered. You can feel disempowered, you can feel vulnerable, you can feel strongly you can feel connected, you can and those are each choices that we get to make around how do we want to feel and so what I hear you saying is exactly that. When you imagine having sex with someone of a different gender. What is it that you believe you will feel like in that space? And is there a way to try to capture that feeling in your current relationship? Yeah, right.
Effy
Yeah. So now you're going into the realm of roleplay. And fantasy, right? Which is fun in its own, right? I mean, just do that, even if you're not trying to problem solve something, you know, like, have fun and play everyone. And this is when you know, this is one of those situations where it's, it's a great place to delve into that, right? Is it you know, can you soul? Can you get to some of these experiences through language? Can you get to some of these experiences through touch? Can you do that energetically? Can you cook up a fantasy where you're playing a different sex or gender, you know, like, those things are available to you? And it's just about, start building that muscle and exploring? Yeah, I
Jacqueline
think so that looks like a few different things that looks like maybe curating your porn queue, and choosing some porn that you're going to watch together. That is queer porn, or that is something that explores that part of of what you want to explore and watching that together. It could be fantasizing to your point Effie in your own mind, during play with your partner, or could be something that you are actively together role playing in order to capture that feeling. For me, a big part of it that I actually really love is storytelling. That makes sense, because I'm a storyteller. Because right now, my current construct is such that, you know, we're not engaged in in relationships outside of our partnerships with each other. And I still am interested in other people. How that shows up for me sometimes in sex is that I asked my partner to recant sexual experiences with past partners, like tell me about, you know, this one nightstand that you had are telling me about when you were in your 20s. And like, you know, you had this wild sex in this, and like, tell me in detail here till that happen. And it does for me capture the experience of seeing my partner with somebody else, or experiencing that or being a part of energy of other people and their experience that is outside of myself. And so, of course, it is not the same thing as, but it gets you pretty close. And let me also note here, that I know that that some folks may be feeling like Well, the reality of it is very different than imagining it and they can't come close, that is fact and true. And we are often anxious and stressed about things that are not happening in reality that are happening just in our heads. So I want to just note that our heads are very powerful tools, and can create environments where we feel things as strongly as if it is actually happening
Effy
exactly that trauma comes from. Yes, exactly. Exactly.
Jacqueline
Right. The idea of your friend being mad at you will likely send you into it the same state, if not maybe a worst state because it's worse in your mind than the reality of that person saying that they're mad at you. And so I want to name that to say that we are using this brain tool right now, for purposes that are not helpful, and not not allowing us to thrive. Can we now yield that same tool in order to create mindsets, experiences, stories, thought processes, that can embody the experiences that we want to feel a real life?
Effy
Absolutely. Creativity is what makes us human. We know this, we know that we're old, old species that we know, we know that humans are uniquely creative. And we can imagine things that don't exist. We can build societies based on shared imagined factors like money, and money is all imagined. We imagine we assign a value, we imagine a value. And we have entire societies, structures all built on something that we just believe in exactly what I love. I love that suggestion. Our minds are super, super powerful. And yes, fresh ones flesh. And it's just not You're not going to get that because that's what you subscribe to thought can be as powerful for sure. Yeah, I
Jacqueline
think the other thing I would suggest in that same realm around being in the energy of it, but not participating is if it's comfortable, and you will talk about it going to a play party, going to experience where you get to watch, and only you make the commitment, you're only going to touch and explore with each other. But you can watch different folks in different formations, having sex and feed off the energy of that. And then actually, that gives you some fantasies that you can use for months on actually capturing lots of little mental videos that you will be able to use during sex moving forward. But I think that is another way of staying within the agreement of we're just with each other. And I get to be in the presence of surrounded in in the energy of queer sex.
Effy
Exactly, exactly. I mean, that's I Don't play parties for many, many reasons. And exploration is one of them, you literally put the book on it, I wrote a book on it. Yes, party etiquette for sure. I just think it's an opportunity for exactly. Even if you don't touch a soul, it is an It is an exciting experience to share sexual energy with others, even if you're not touching anybody else, or even yourself just to be in shared sexual energy. I think it's intoxicating in a good way. And you know, this is not for this conversation, and we'll do a whole episode on this one day. But private sex as we know, it is a very, very modern construct, we've been having communal sex for way longer than we've been having private sex. So being in shared sexual spaces, where you do get to see and be in the energy of all different sexual expressions is inspiring, it's feeding, it doesn't necessarily mean you have to do the thing. But just to have the exploration will expand your mind and expand your expression for sure.
Jacqueline
Hmm, a piece that I would add to this is, if there is concern, and then I'm speaking from experience of, Wow, this feels like a lot of work that my partner will have to do in order to support me, I am sure that there are things that they want to do that they have not talked about you. And it may not be with other people, it may not be with opposite, you know, agenda, and think about this potentially, as the opening of the door to those types of conversations. This is not just about you, and your exploration, but it could be also about them, and what are all of the things for both of you that you want to expand out to feel experience, etc.
Effy
Absolutely. I think, you know, Dan Savage talks about good giving endgame, my GG. This is exactly what I mean, when I said your partners, you know, we're assuming that your partner is game, right, that in order for all this stuff to be explored, both of you, all of you need to be good giving endgame within your relationship construct, and there needs to be an openness to, to explore sexuality. And I think you're absolutely right to your point is that when that door is opened, so much is going to come out from both sides, I would say.
Jacqueline
So be ready for that.
Effy
Be ready, be ready, be prepared.
Jacqueline
You open that door and everyone walks through, be ready for you know, knowing that there's stuff on the other side? Yes. So, dear listener, who asked us this question, here are tips and ideas of what you can do. If you are in this situation, explore and stand in your identity within your partnership and your community at large. If that's available to you explore non sexual intimacy with people of other genders, tap into your mind and to porn to have queer sexual experiences of your own. Remember that your mind is a very powerful tool, talk with your partner and CO create an adventure into queerness that stays within the boundaries of your agreements. Include them in queer events and conversations, incorporate different scenarios and energy into your sex with each other. You can watch queer porn together, share or listen to stories about sex with other people or even go to a play party together. And watch queer sex live and in person. And essentially just open the door to exploration and growth with your partner or partners and see where it takes you.
Effy
I cannot agree with all of those more. And last but not least, really think about your relationship construct and reframe the prohibitions of your chosen relationship relationship construct as a choice that allows you to create something versus limit or prevent something. So you need to own your decision, your choice to be monogamous as something that you're doing to allow you to afford you something bigger, something that you really want that aligns with the things that you want in the world, right. So an example that I can give you is a monk who has given up their sexuality stays focused and feel satisfied by their abstinence, because they believe that it connects them to a higher power. So they don't resent the fact that they're not having sex, because they see it as a connection to something bigger, right. And this is, this is the key part of this, you've chosen to be monogamous. Because it affords you something bigger, you just need to get in line with that you just need to align with that, and be really focused on that and create from that place. Rather than feel like it's something that is limiting you that is oppressing you or suppressing if that's how you feel. That's another conversation that you need to have and you need to revisit your relationship constructs and all those kinds of things. The chances are that you're choosing monogamy because you're clear about the way that it's supporting yours, nourishing you and if you're not clear, get clear about that and have that within your sight at all times.
Jacqueline
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Effy
This episode is produced and edited by Nina Pollack, who supports us in exploring all our podcast fantasies. Our intro music is composed by dev Saha, we are so grateful for that work. And we're grateful to you for listening. As always stay curious friends.
Jacqueline
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Effy
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